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		<title>Guy Kawaski&#8217;s Corollary on Hiring; or, How Work Teams Go Bad</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In July, I blogged about my theory &#8220;great managers hire great talent; similarly, bad managers hire themselves.&#8221; The more I re-examine the hires I helped managers identify, and then make during almost 14 years of recruiting, approximately 9 years as an independent head hunter, and 5 years as a corporate recruiter who primarily headhunts my candidate pool, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In July, I blogged about <a title="Bad Managers Hire Themselves" href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/25" target="_blank">my theory</a> &#8220;great managers hire great talent; similarly, bad managers hire themselves.&#8221;</p>
<p>The more I re-examine the hires I helped managers identify, and then make during almost 14 years of recruiting, approximately 9 years as an independent head hunter, and 5 years as a corporate recruiter who primarily headhunts my candidate pool, I know this is more than just theory.</p>
<p>My friend Mark, a former Apple employee, recently pointed me to former Apple Macintosh Evangelist and current VC <a href="http://www.guykawasaki.com/about/index.shtml" target="_blank">Guy Kawasaki</a>&#8216;s <a title="Guy Kawasaki's Art of Hiring" href="http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2006/01/the_art_of_recr.html" target="_blank">Corollary on Hiring</a>:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;Hire better than yourself. In the Macintosh Division, we had a saying, &#8220;A players hire A players; B players hire C players&#8221;&#8211;meaning that great <a href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/tag/people" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with people">people</a> hire great <a href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/tag/people" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with people">people</a>. On the other hand, mediocre <a href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/tag/people" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with people">people</a> hire candidates who are not as good as they are, so they can feel superior to them. (If you start down this slippery slope, you&#8217;ll soon end up with Z players; this is called The Bozo Explosion. It is followed by The Layoff.) I have come to believe that we were wrong&#8211;A players hire A+ players, not merely A players. It takes self-confidence and self-awareness, but it&#8217;s the only way to build a great team.&#8221;</p>
<p>I now think the real answer is somewhere in between my original theory, and Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s Corollary:</p>
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<li>Good managers hire candidates who are at least A level themselves, but will hopefully hire A+ <a href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/tag/people" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with people">people</a>;</li>
<li>Bad managers either hire themselves (aka &#8220;Mini Me&#8221;  Hiring); or they hire C, D, E, F, etc. players.</li>
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<p>How does the original bad managers, or a bad team mate get hired?</p>
<p>Yes, there are the star performers and originally good hires that morph into B, C, D, etc players; but I believe most companies create their own messes by not consistently following established hiring policies and practices.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked for companies with stated policies requiring full interview loops of internal partners and customers, peers, the manager&#8217;s manager, etc. &#8211; and yet on more than one occasion, and at more than one company, miraculously one day a new hire appeared out of thin air, no interview loop necessary; rarely does this scenario have a good outcome.</p>
<p>Sometimes the candidate profile is flawed; a <a href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/tag/hiring-manager" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with hiring manager">hiring manager</a> and/or the hiring team concluded profile x is desired, even though a very quick business needs analysis showed profile x would not solve any of the business needs which profile y could and would.  Profile x it was; cleaning up that mess took multiple <a href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/tag/people" class="st_tag internal_tag" rel="tag nofollow" title="Posts tagged with people">people</a> multiple months, and cost the company two star performers who tired of being the team janitors.</p>
<p>Oh well.</p>
<p>Imprecise and/or ineffective interview styles and questions also contribute to bad hires, particularly interviewers who:</p>
<ul>
<li>Don&#8217;t know what to look for;</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t know/ask the right questions to be able to effectively evaluate a candidate;</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t accurately or effectively evaluate a candidate after asking the right questions;</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t drill down on soft skills in a way which does not allow the candidate to respond with well rehearsed and safe answers;</li>
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<p>are likely to make a bad hire.</p>
<p>Whether you believe in my theory, Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s Corollary, or something in-between, it&#8217;s hard to fix a team/group/company after more than one bad hire.</p>
<p>But &#8211; if you think you have what it takes to successfully turn around those kinds of teams, let me know &#8211; there are several teams and companies I still genuinely care about, and will happily point you to work your magic &#8211; and &#8230; May the Force be with You.</p>
<p>Related posts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/84" target="_blank>Follow These Footsteps&#8230;</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/82" target="_blank>In My Next Life, I&#8217;m Going to Sell Swampland in the Gobi&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href=http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/848" target=_blank>Speak of the Devil&#8230;</a></p>
<p><a href=http://www.fallingorflying.com/archives/792" target=_blank>The CEO&#8217;s Secret Handbook</a></p>
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